From #lad on libera.chat:

<strogon14> And are all these copies of the carla-bridge-* binaries in the plugin bundles really distinct files or would it be possible to symlink them from a Carly installation?
<falktx> strogon14: link against system carla: no. use bridge binaries from system carla yes
<falktx> I mean it would be possible, but breaks the whole point of how it works as a plugin
<strogon14> falktx: can you elaborate? If I were to package Ildaeil as a distribution package, all these duplicate files seem superfluous.
<falktx> for this to work as plugin, it should/needs to be self-contained
<falktx> so building its own internal carla static lib is kinda required
<falktx> the external files, being well, external, do not matter at all. I just build them for convenience but they can be replaced by carla ones sure
<falktx> issue then is that ildaeil depends on carla to be installed, as dependency.
-*- falktx is thinking carla-backend should become its own lib/project at some point
<strogon14> I don't see the dependency on Carla as a problem in the context of distribution packages. For me the main advantage of Ildaeil is the simplified UI for loading plugins.
<falktx> then all fine. just patch the root Makefile a bit to not build bridges by default
<falktx> then some other that tries to copy these files, easy to spot
<falktx> though I should make this a build option..

Did anyone get Geonkick LV2 working? It's not showing in the list here, which is strange, cause lots of other synths show/work.

• https://github.com/free-sm/geonkick
• https://kx.studio/Repositories:Plugins#geonkick

I can get Geonkick working fine as a standalone, but Ildaeil doesn't seem to find it..

So I guess what I'm asking is if this is a problem with Ildaeil or Geonkick..

I'm using the Ildaeil VST2 version in Bitwig 4.1.6 on Linux Mint 20.3

❯ env|grep -i lv2 
LV2_PATH=/home/alf/.lv2:/usr/lib/lv2:/usr/local/lib/lv2

❯ locate geonkick
/usr/bin/geonkick
/usr/lib/lv2/geonkick.lv2
/usr/lib/lv2/geonkick.lv2/geonkick.ttl
/usr/lib/lv2/geonkick.lv2/libgeonkick_lv2.so
/usr/lib/lv2/geonkick.lv2/manifest.ttl
/usr/share/applications/geonkick.desktop
/usr/share/doc/geonkick
/usr/share/doc/geonkick/README.md.gz
/usr/share/doc/geonkick/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/geonkick/copyright
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128/apps/geonkick.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/geonkick.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/geonkick.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/geonkick.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/geonkick.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/geonkick.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps/geonkick.png
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/geonkick.svg
/usr/share/mime/application/x-geonkick-preset.xml
/usr/share/mime/packages/geonkick.xml
/var/lib/dpkg/info/geonkick.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/geonkick.md5sums

Usually, we install from source using make install. Right now, when I compile this project (see the nix derivation at the end), I get the files listed at the end, but I'd love to install them into $PREFIX/lib/{vst,vst3}... with a simple make install. Of course I could manually move them there, but for some of them I'm not even sure what I should do with them (like Ildaeil-FX/IldaeilPlugin.cpp.o, the *.d files or the *_JACK.cpp.o files)

build/Ildaeil-FX
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoPluginMain_VST2.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoUIMain_VST3.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoUIMain_JACK.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-FX/IldaeilPlugin.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoPluginMain_VST3.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoUIMain_VST2.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoPluginMain_JACK.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoUIMain_LV2.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-FX/IldaeilUI.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoPluginMain_LV2.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoPluginMain_JACK.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoPluginMain_VST3.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoUIMain_VST2.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoUIMain_JACK.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-FX/IldaeilPlugin.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoPluginMain_VST2.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoUIMain_VST3.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoPluginMain_LV2.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-FX/IldaeilUI.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-FX/DistrhoUIMain_LV2.cpp.d
build/Common
build/Common/PluginHostWindow.cpp.o
build/Common/PluginHostWindow.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-Synth
build/Ildaeil-Synth/IldaeilPlugin.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoUIMain_VST3.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoPluginMain_VST2.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoUIMain_JACK.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoUIMain_LV2.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoUIMain_VST2.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoPluginMain_VST3.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-Synth/IldaeilUI.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoPluginMain_LV2.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoPluginMain_JACK.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-Synth/IldaeilPlugin.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-Synth/IldaeilUI.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoPluginMain_LV2.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoPluginMain_JACK.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoUIMain_VST2.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoPluginMain_VST3.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoUIMain_JACK.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoUIMain_LV2.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoUIMain_VST3.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoPluginMain_VST2.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-MIDI
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoUIMain_VST2.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoPluginMain_LV2.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/IldaeilPlugin.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoUIMain_JACK.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoUIMain_VST3.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoPluginMain_VST2.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoPluginMain_JACK.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoUIMain_LV2.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/IldaeilUI.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoPluginMain_VST3.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoUIMain_VST3.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/IldaeilPlugin.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoUIMain_JACK.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoUIMain_VST2.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoPluginMain_LV2.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoUIMain_LV2.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/IldaeilUI.cpp.o
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoPluginMain_VST3.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoPluginMain_JACK.cpp.d
build/Ildaeil-MIDI/DistrhoPluginMain_VST2.cpp.d

default.nix:

{ pkgs ? import <nixpkgs> {} }:
pkgs.callPackage ./derivation.nix {}

derivation.nix:

{ lib
, stdenv
, fetchFromGitHub
, cmake
, pkg-config
# Not sure which one I should keep (at least libGL for sure)
, liblo
, freetype, libX11, libXrandr, libXinerama, libXext, libXcursor, libGL
, gtk2, gtk3
, libjack2, alsa-lib, alsa-tools
}:

stdenv.mkDerivation rec {
  pname = "Ildaeil";
  version = "unstable-b1b71590";

  src = fetchFromGitHub {
    owner = "DISTRHO";
    repo = pname;
    rev = "b1b71590af50a8dcffb83eaeee832115fbe5baab";
    sha256 = "sha256-YSdGucOhHVL8E49f0GgayvgP9aqV5B68zrOHmBa6GT0=";
    fetchSubmodules = true;
  };

  nativeBuildInputs = [
    # cmake
    pkg-config
  ];
  buildInputs = [
    liblo
    freetype
    libX11 libXrandr libXinerama libXext libXcursor libGL
    gtk2 gtk3
    libjack2 alsa-lib alsa-tools
  ];

  buildPhase = ''
    patchShebangs dpf/utils/generate-ttl.sh
    make
  '';

  installPhase = ''
    mkdir -p $out/lib/{vst,vst3,lv2,}
    # To write
  '';
}

EDIT New version with attempt to install (need to test):

{ lib
, stdenv
, fetchFromGitHub
, cmake
, pkg-config
# Not sure which one I should keep (at least libGL for sure)
, liblo
, freetype, libX11, libXrandr, libXinerama, libXext, libXcursor, libGL
, gtk2, gtk3
, libjack2, alsa-lib, alsa-tools
}:

stdenv.mkDerivation rec {
  pname = "Ildaeil";
  version = "unstable-b1b71590";

  src = fetchFromGitHub {
    owner = "DISTRHO";
    repo = pname;
    rev = "b1b71590af50a8dcffb83eaeee832115fbe5baab";
    sha256 = "sha256-YSdGucOhHVL8E49f0GgayvgP9aqV5B68zrOHmBa6GT0=";
    fetchSubmodules = true;
  };

  nativeBuildInputs = [
    # cmake
    pkg-config
  ];
  buildInputs = [
    liblo
    freetype
    libX11 libXrandr libXinerama libXext libXcursor libGL
    gtk2 gtk3
    libjack2 alsa-lib alsa-tools
  ];

  buildPhase = ''
    patchShebangs dpf/utils/generate-ttl.sh
    make
  '';

  installPhase = ''
    mkdir -p $out/lib/{vst,vst3,lv2,}
    cd build
    # Copy LV2 files (dirty copy/paste... but lazy to write cleaner code)
    for file in $(find . | grep "_LV2" | grep -v ".d$")
    do
      dest="$out/lib/lv2/$file"
      echo "Copying $file into $dest."
      mkdir -p $(dirname "$dest")
      cp "$file" "$dest"
    done
    # Copy VST2 files (dirty copy/paste... but lazy to write cleaner code)
    for file in $(find . | grep "_VST2" | grep -v ".d$")
    do
      dest="$out/lib/vst/$file"
      echo "Copying $file into $dest."
      mkdir -p $(dirname "$dest")
      cp "$file" "$dest"
    done
    # Copy VST3 files (dirty copy/paste... but lazy to write cleaner code)
    for file in $(find . | grep "_VST3" | grep -v ".d$")
    do
      dest="$out/lib/vst3/$file"
      echo "Copying $file into $dest."
      mkdir -p $(dirname "$dest")
      cp "$file" "$dest"
    done
    # TODO: what should I do with files like Ildaeil-MIDI/IldaeilUI.cpp.o, Common/PluginHostWindow.cpp.o, Ildaeil-Synth/DistrhoUIMain_JACK.cpp.o...?
  '';
}

I tried to install Ildaeil, but when I run it (inside Bespoke), I get an error "There are no LV2 audio plugins on this sytem".

But I do have many lv2 plugins, and they are detected in Carla (ok, in carla I need to configure the paths), Ardour, lv2ls…:

$ lv2ls 
http://arcticanaudio.com/plugins/thefunction
http://arcticanaudio.com/plugins/thepilgrim
http://au.tomatl.org/essp
http://calf.sourceforge.net/plugins/Analyzer
http://calf.sourceforge.net/plugins/BassEnhancer
http://calf.sourceforge.net/plugins/CompensationDelay
http://calf.sourceforge.net/plugins/Compressor
http://calf.sourceforge.net/plugins/Crusher
[...]

In which path is Ildaeil searching for the plugins? Is it looking for the environment variable $LV2_PATH?

$ echo $LV2_PATH
~/.nix-profile/lib/lv2/:~/.lv2:/nix/var/nix/profiles/default/lib/lv2:/var/run/current-system/sw/lib/lv2

EDIT

It seems plugins are found if they are in ~/.lv2. However, it would be better to also look for the $LV2_PATH which seems to be more standard.

Currently the source archives attached as assets to the v1.0 tag are the standard Github-generated ones, whoch do not include the Git sub-modules.

It would make packaging Ildaeil for distributions much easier, if a source distribution with all sub-module sources included would be provided.

SFZero seems to be an old project with no updates for half a decade, while sfizz is constantly updated and improved.

sfizz is already used internally by a plug-ins called DROPS to play back samples, so it is very possible to use it's engine in another plug-in.

Why choose SFZero over sfizz?

example : I have added BOops.lv2 to my ~/.lv2 folder and when I launch a new instance of ildaeil the plugin is put to the bottom of the plugin list.

It looks like the URI is being used to determine the order of the plugin list, should it be the actual plugin name that does this instead ?